5.02.2011

don't blame the ndp: only the liberals are to blame for their own collapse

Newsflash: it's not the NDP's fault that the Liberals suck.

A Conservative majority is not something anyone wanted, except people who voted Conservative.

Blaming NDP voters for a Conservative majority is illogical. It's stupid. It's wrong.

Look at the numbers. Canadian voters hate the Liberals. How is that the NDP's fault?

The Liberals are bankrupt. They are out of ideas and completely bereft of leadership. They paid for it in the last election and they are paying for it dearly now.

You NDP-blamers out there, if the NDP and Liberal numbers were reversed, who would you blame then? The NDP. So either way, it's the fault of NDP voters. We're all just supposed to vote Liberal no matter what.

Another newsflash: if the Liberals want votes, they have to earn them! Why aren't NDP votes as valid as Liberal votes?

When too many people vote Conservative, blame Conservative voters.

When not enough people vote Liberal, blame the Liberal Party.

There's a reason the NDP is now the official opposition. More Canadians preferred them to the Liberals. I'm very disappointed to live in a Conservative riding. But the Liberals make me sick and when push comes to shove, why should I vote for a party that sickens me?

Blaming progressive voters for a right-wing victory and centre-right collapse. Where have I heard this before? Canadians, you should be smarter than that.

At least this time we'll have an Opposition that knows the meaning of the word.

At least this time we'll have an Opposition!

33 comments:

allan said...

Amen!

Nitangae said...

This election was pretty difficult for tactical voting. Perhaps all elections are, and this is one example.

Looking over the results, I notice many cases with Liberal incumbents which ended up with the NDP as runner-up.

One or two elections with NDP incumbents or with strong NDP second-place finishers in the last election lost with a substantial number of people voting for a third-place liberal or Bloc candidate. I don't blame them for voting for the Liberal or Bloc if they supported that candidate, nor should anybody blame NDP voters.

laura k said...

One or two elections with NDP incumbents or with strong NDP second-place finishers in the last election lost with a substantial number of people voting for a third-place liberal or Bloc candidate.

That's a very good point.

It seems only progressives get blamed for other parties' defeats or victories.

laura k said...

I don't blame anyone for voting strategically. I very nearly did it myself. Perhaps if the Liberal party were a bit more liberal, I might have done so.

laura k said...

Mound of Sound, as I've said before, we don't do insults here. When you can follow the comment policy, you're welcome back. Until then, be a good chap and fuck off.

Bleatmop said...

Couldn't agree more. People act like the LPC was entitled to everyone's votes. Bizarre behavior imo. They need to figure out that it was the LPC's sense of entitlement post Chretien that has landed them where they are now. What is this, the 4th or 5th straight election where their numbers have gone down?

Anyway, good post. Look forward to reading your blog some more.

Nitangae said...

"Looking over the results, I notice many cases with Liberal incumbents which ended up with the NDP as runner-up."

To clarify, "NDP runner-up in a riding which went to the Harpercons." How is the tactical voter to know this? I bet there were tactical voters in some ridings who voted Liberal to block the Tories, when the runner-up was NDP, and tactical voters in other ridings who voted NDP (trusting the surge) when they should have voted Liberal.

And it looks like Harper's battle-cry against Socialists worked, with some Liberals voting Conservative to keep the NDP out. Well, they are welcome to them!

Cara said...

The worst part about this Tory majority is that the alternative - either NDP or Liberal -- is too fragile and uncertain to be confident that it will easily translate into a strong opposition. The NDP has too many inexperienced MPs and enough from Quebec that may create some very interesting dynamics and tensions within the party making it potentially problematic for the future. Many of them may say what some people want to hear but that may not be a truly effective opposition that's needed to fight Harper.
My fear is that what we have are the ingredients for a second Harper majority in the next election because of the sheer number of inexperienced opposition members.
Liberals may disappoint the one thing that has to be admitted it that they and not the Conservatives has been prepared to implement or even steal NDP ideas. Hell would freeze over before the Tories agreed to anything NDP. Perhaps the Liberals aren't entirely bad.

Cara said...

Forgot to mention that Harper with his majority will get rid of public financing of political parties which will make it awkward to find the finances to build the electoral opposition to Harper. Now that Harper appears to have succeeded at destroying the Liberal party he'll turn his gaze to the NDP. This is how politics has worked in BC for decades. BC is a left/right political system and the right spends a great deal of time demonizing the NDP and weakens it so that it is power infrequently.

Cliff said...

He came by my place to rant and howl too. At his own page he's describing the NDP as swine and vermin. Wow, eliminationist much? At another page he says he voted strategically for the NDP but sees us as the enemy now. A team of psychiatrists could write a series of books on the pathology.

I'd rather look to the Liberals behaving with grace and class tonight. They are out there.

janfromthebruce said...

There were really close races where the NDP lost - eg. Oshawa (Liberal carpetbagger, tony martin's riding - Sue St. Marie, Essex) where we lost do to the Liberals. So yeah, thanks to the liberal strategic voting machine - thanks a lot!

geek guy said...

:(.

laura k said...

I woke up at 4:00 a.m. with that moment-before-reality-sinks-in hope. Then I remembered, this was not a bad dream.

laura k said...

The worst part about this Tory majority is that the alternative - either NDP or Liberal -- is too fragile and uncertain to be confident that it will easily translate into a strong opposition.

How do you know that? Jack Layton's NDP seems neither fragile nor uncertain.

Despite your lecture, the worst part of the Conservative majority is the Conservative majority.

And you are now worried about a SECOND Conservative majority? For crissakes! Get a grip. Tonight you witnessed something NO ONE - not one pollster, prediction site or pundit - predicted. And you are now predicting what is going to happen FOUR YEARS FROM NOW?

laura k said...

He came by my place to rant and howl too.

To be fair, he didn't rant or howl, he just insulted me personally. Lovely.

Thanks for the perspective on MoS. I've asked him several times to be civil, and I've rejected several of his uncivil comments. I've had a long fuse with his nastiness because he's a (supposedly) a progressive blogger.

Maybe I was being too generous.

laura k said...

Here's an analyst I agree with. Why did the Liberals collapse? Because no leader, and no ideas.

James said...

I don't blame anyone for voting strategically. I very nearly did it myself.

Looks like I should have. Our riding was supposed to be safe for the Liberal incumbent, but went to the new Conservative candidate.

laura k said...

This also shows us all the danger of voting according to polls. The polls were utterly wrong. So if you can't predict based on polls, what can you do? Vote for what you believe in.

John F said...

Here's my positive spin on the election:

1. We survived nine years of Brian Mulroney in majority, and we can survive four years of Stephen Harper.

2. Harper just got plenty of rope to hang himself with (note to government monitors: it's a metaphorical rope).

3. Jack Layton = PM-in-waiting.

laura k said...

Thanks, John F. I go with all three of those.

I do worry, but more than fear, we have to be prepared to fight. Which reminds me of a post... I will be quoting you.

James said...

A response for anyone who actually is blaming the NDP:

Suppose the NDP stole 50 seats from the Liberals. What would have happened had those seats stayed Liberal?

Instead of

Conservatives: 167
NDP: 102
Liberals: 34
Bloc: 4
Green: 1

We would have had

Conservatives: 167
Liberals: 84
NDP: 52
Bloc: 4
Green: 1

Doesn't make much difference in terms of the majority, does it?

Suppose all the NDP votes had gone to the Liberals. Then we'd have had:

Conservatives: 167
Liberals: 136
Bloc: 4
Green: 1

Still not much of a difference...

The NDP didn't hand the CPC a majority by doing too well; the Liberals handed them one by doing so poorly.

laura k said...

James, thanks for this! I'm going to use it as a post.

laura k said...

James' comment puts the lie to the notion that an NDP opposition means a Conservative majority. I said this in last night's gamethread, but the numbers make it that much clearer.

Em said...

I voted NDP, but I don't like seeing scorn heaped on the Liberals. No party ever has been as bad as the Harper Cons, and that's just their ethics, let alone their policies. We are all rejoicing now, but the sobering fact is, we just lost the election, and the Harper Cons have a majority. It is going to take solidarity on the part of democrats of every stripe, new and old, to do anything about it.

laura k said...

If you don't like seeing scorn heaped on the Liberals, I suggest not visiting this blog. I hate the Ignatieff Liberals almost as much as I hate the Harper Conservatives - sometimes more, as they allowed the Conservatives to get away most of what has happened already.

laura k said...

We are all rejoicing now

We are? Most people I know are stunned and depressed.

James said...

These maps do a good job of showing just how serious the Liberal collapse was. Check out the 2008 vs. 2011 GTA.

The 2008 vs 2011 Canada map shows that the NDP's major victory is almost entirely at the expense of the Bloc, not the Liberals. Outside of Quebec (and bits of Toronto), the NDP's holdings have barely changed.

James said...

Sorry, the "These" in that last post was supposed to be a link to here.

Cat said...

Yes but they split the vote in Ontario and gave Conservatives lots of seats in former Liberal strongholds! I am not decrying them their seats, I voted for them here in Qc and am glad of it, but had they encouraged strategic voting in Ontario, by say organizing with the Liberals to withdraw candidates in certain ridings (run only NDP here, only Liberal there) we would not be looking at this majority Con government. The Liberals are just as much at fault for not realizing just how progressive most Canadians actually are! There was little need for strategic voting here in Qc since the conservatives are all but dead to us, but Ontario was a big deal. Harper will keep undermining the entire democratic system like he did with the census and the defunding of political parties - unsexy topics that most Canadians will ignore - and by the time we can try to get him out, he will have changed the rules to make it that much harder. Do we really think that the American-style attack ads against Ignatieff for the past 2 YEARS did nothing?

Lorraine said...

Liberal opposition is neither.

First-past-the-post is a recipe for a two party system. Hopefully, that particular institution will find itself on the defensive during the next few years. At least yesterday's election clarified which two parties are relevant. Looking at this from right-vs-center USA it still appears to me that Canada is a better place. Have no regrets, Laura K.

laura k said...

Why thank you, Lorraine, I much appreciate that.

I am not one for regrets. I did what I thought was right, and that's all that can be asked of anyone.

laura k said...

Looking at this from right-vs-center USA it still appears to me that Canada is a better place.

It definitely is. Both places have deteriorated, but the US is way farther along.

Canada is much like the US was 25-30 years ago, only with public health care, equal marriage and abortion rights. All of which we will be defending in the coming years.

laura k said...

Do we really think that the American-style attack ads against Ignatieff for the past 2 YEARS did nothing?

I agree that this must have had an effect. However, I saw exactly none of these ads, and I could not like Michael Ignatieff any less than I do, based only on his own record and leadership skills. I cannot be the only voter who finds him beyond distasteful and his party utterly bereft of both principles and ideas.