8.24.2009

more insanity at fake u.s. town hall meetings

When I posted the video clip of Barney Frank ripping the astroturf town hall protestor - "On what planet do you spend most of your time?" - I thought everyone had already seen it. But of course, that's never the case, and several people thanked me for the post.

So in that spirit, try this. Rather than link to YouTube with all the lovely YouTubian screamers, I'll go with HuffPo: Woman Shouts 'Heil Hitler' at Jewish Man Praising Israel's Health Care System.

17 comments:

David Cho said...

I was really disappointed with George Will when he compared with the townhall protesters who invoke Hitler with liberals who did the same when Bush was in the White House.

He is discarding the fact that these protesters are in the MAINSTREAM of the GOP, not the fringes.

I hope to see a public option in the bill. But looks like it is getting shouted down.

redsock said...

George Will? That's like saying you are disappointed that Cheney did not follow the Constitution.

I had a link to a news report in a comment here (can't find it now) where a woman who said she was "just a mom" said shit about health care and it was discovered that she worked in the office of a wingnut.

I would say it's a good chance most of these yellers are plants.

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Also, Frank's "what planet" reply was highly disappointing. He made a joke about something he could have really capitalized on.

Assuming he is well-versed in these things, he should have asked her her name, etc. and asked her to define the terms she was yelling. And ask how Obama's plan does that? Ask and ask. Basically give her a pop quiz.

It would have destroyed her and showed she was a complete idiot. Instead he ignored her complaint and used her to make a joke.

***Please note that I do not support Obama and think in many ways -- treatment of "detainees", for example -- he is worse than Bush.***

L-girl said...

Frank's comment was good because it focused attention on the lunacy. Also, we only saw a brief clip. He may have educated her afterwards, I have no idea.

You're certainly right in that he could have done more. I don't know if he did.

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He is discarding the fact that these protesters are in the MAINSTREAM of the GOP, not the fringes.

How about the fact that they are calling Obama "Hitler" for suggesting publicly-financed health care?

Some progressives called Bush "Hitler" for demonizing people based on their religion, then massacring them; shutting down the Constitution; coming to power through fraudulent elections; ignoring the Geneva Conventions; holding people in inhumane conditions indefinitely without charge or trial; sanctioning torture, etc. etc.

No one is calling Obama Hitler for stepping up the war in Afghanistan. They are saying that single-payer health insurance is a Nazi policy. The single-payer health insurance that works in democracies all over the world.

Sure, that's similar. Good work, George Will. His masters' voice.

David Cho said...

Well, Will is not as shrill as Limbaugh. I know that doesn't say much :).

johngoldfine said...

The clip shows Frank saying three things: the first was the cheap shot (and not funny) about what planet.

The second excoriated her and then said that her nonsense was heard at all was a tribute to the First Amendment. That tended to get me patriotic about the Bill of Rights for a minute, but then I askedmyself, 'Who the hell is BF to remind her that only the First Amendment allows her to be such an idiot?' It's like it's his Amendment, and he generously is allowing her use of it. Not the right way to see it.

His last comment was to say that talking to her was like talking to a piece of furniture--pointless. And there the real BF contempt, anger, and disgust showed through, which I liked for its impolitic genuineness.

L-girl said...

I guess people were just thrilled that somebody in government pushed back against one of these people. Can't blame them there.

I did think it was funny.

impudent strumpet said...

Was she equating health care with hitler, or was she threatening the guy for being Jewish? (Which is officially the weirdest sentence I have ever uttered.)

impudent strumpet said...

And also, what are they trying to achieve with these town hall things anyway? (i.e. the people who are organizing them, not the people who are demonstrating the need for better enforcement of Godwin's Law)

David Cho said...

It gets better.

The second video clip here shows that the woman wearing an Israeli Defense Forces t-shirt. If you listen to her, she says she supports "biblical values," which is a dead giveaway of her fundamentalist Christian background.

Looks like she is also a Christian Zionist (I believe I am the first to educate you on this, Laura :)). But she can't really hide her contempt for Jews the moment a Jew says something that does not sit well with her.

L-girl said...

Was she equating health care with hitler, or was she threatening the guy for being Jewish?

I think she was equating health care with Hitler, as that is one of their themes.

Does anyone else have a different take on that?

And also, what are they trying to achieve with these town hall things anyway?

In this case, the supposedly populist meeting was organized by a ultra right-wing radio person. The objective, as I see it, is to whip up fervor against Obama and anything he tries to implement, and to perpetuate the lie that he is leftist, power-grabbing, a dictator, and such.

Again, anyone with more insight into this area, please jump in. I'm only following it with half an eye, if that.

David Cho said...

Well, some believe that because the Nazis were called the "National Socialist German Workers Party," it espoused leftwing ideologies, and since health care reform comes from the left, it is a Nazi idea.

Get it?

But I think the woman just screamed Heil Hitler just to get a rise out of the Israeli and throw him off balance.

L-girl said...

But I think the woman just screamed Heil Hitler just to get a rise out of the Israeli and throw him off balance.

I assumed it had something to do with calling Obama Hitler, and calling health care reform Nazi policy.

Triple entendre?

"It works on so many levels." /Simpsons

impudent strumpet said...

some believe that because the Nazis were called the "National Socialist German Workers Party," it espoused leftwing ideologies

So it sounds like the solution is to create a progressive US political party called the Pro-America Party.

johngoldfine said...

I think that for a lot of these wingnuts, it's a case of picking up any stick to beat a dog with. They have no idea at all what any of their terms of opprobrium mean or connote: they are just all- purpose insults.

If I call someone a motherfucker, I'm talking about his shameful soul, not incest. Hitler is just 'motherfucker.'

To anyone who knows anything there's something infuriatingly stupid about the literal-minded confusion of socialism and national socialism. But the townhall protesters seem to be in a fantasy-world beyond embarrassment and shame: at last, all the smartypants who've made them feel dumb all their lives are being shown who the real dummies are--namely all the educacted fools who've hijacked the Presidency for a Kenyan, turn aborted fetuses into mad-science experiments, and, yes, pull the plug on grandma!

Hysteria is a worrying phenomenon, mass hysteria even more so, mob action most of all.

L-girl said...

Looks like she is also a Christian Zionist (I believe I am the first to educate you on this, Laura :))

You were! :) Although I don't think I ever saw the grave concern you did. But some Jewish friends to whom I passed your info along were shocked and concerned, so your efforts were not wasted. :)

So it sounds like the solution is to create a progressive US political party called the Pro-America Party.

Totally. There are many progressive groups with pro-America-type names, but alas, the right wing continues to own patriotism.

I think that for a lot of these wingnuts, it's a case of picking up any stick to beat a dog with. They have no idea at all what any of their terms of opprobrium mean or connote: they are just all- purpose insults.

That's a very good point. We're looking for meaning - it may not have any clear meaning.

To anyone who knows anything there's something infuriatingly stupid about the literal-minded confusion of socialism and national socialism.

YES.

at last, all the smartypants who've made them feel dumb all their lives are being shown who the real dummies are

Bullying is an excellent analogy.

David Cho said...

When you have a chance, watch this video clip by Max Blumenthal.

It gives you a very nice crash course on Christian Zionism. It sends a chill down my spine every time I watch this. You will see some prominent names such as Joe Lieberman, Tom DeLay, and a host of Israelis. No, this is not a fringe ideology.

L-girl said...

They may not be fringe, but I have a hard time believing they're important. Thanks for the clip.