6.05.2008

seattle peace activists say "thanks, canada!"

Peace activists held a "Celebration Vigil" in front of the Canadian Consulate in downtown Seattle today. They were celebrating this week's vote in the House of Commons in support of Iraq War resisters in Canada.

Gerry Condon, a Vietnam-era war war resister and long-time anti-war activist, said:
We are here today to thank the Canadian people for providing shelter to our war resisters. You have provided them with homes, with food, with friendship, with legal representation and with political support. We especially want to thank the Canadian unions, churches, artists and activists who make up the War Resisters Support Campaign, which has worked so hard to ensure that war resisters are treated as refugees and not as criminals. Peace-loving people in the United States will be forever grateful.

But this will be a hollow victory if the Conservative government is allowed to flout the will of the Canadian people and act more like a surrogate for George Bush. We demand an end to deportation proceedings against Corey Glass and all war resisters.

Gerry runs Project Safe Haven, an advocacy group for Iraq War resisters. Project Safe Haven plans to present the Canadian Consul with a cake that says, "Thank You, Canada," and a t-shirt reading, "Support Our AWOL Troops."

Gerry again:
George Bush does not support our troops. He has lied to them, and he is using them as cannon fodder in a war that never should have happened. The taxpayers are paying billions of dollars for this war, much of it going to US corporations. But George Bush says we cannot afford a decent GI Bill.

Is it any wonder that opposition to the war is growing among active duty GIs? These brave Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen have the power to bring an end to the illegal U.S. occupation of Iraq.

Gerry, Canada thanks you back!

17 comments:

Cornelia said...

Thank you so much for your support, Gerry. Yep, the good work needs to be continued and yep, the Bush policy is exploitative. Yesterday evening I talked to an American friend on the phone and she said yep, she and most people she knows oppose the bunch too and she will be happy to have him voted out of office. I hope that by next year on 4.July, we can celebrate Independence from Bush and his Republican accomplices. I guess that would make most of the world very happy!!! Both on the international level and also regarding the Americans who have been victimized primarily by the bunch...

L-girl said...

I hope that by next year on 4.July, we can celebrate Independence from Bush and his Republican accomplices.

Don't count on it. Obama can't win if they don't count the votes.

Cornelia said...

I trust Democrats will ensure that every vote gets counted, like in fall 2006 with the Congress elections. They made a lot of preparations and implemented many measures in order to make sure that fraud and manipulations be prevented from getting committed again. Feminist organizations have also made Get Out Her Vote Campaigns, so let's hope everything will be all right.

L-girl said...

I trust Democrats will ensure that every vote gets counted, like in fall 2006 with the Congress elections.

They did no such thing. The Democrats have laid down on the entire issue. More and more states have gone to unaudited electronic voting. I'm not sure where you're getting your info from, but the state of US elections, regarding fraud, has never been worse.

Feminist organizations have also made Get Out Her Vote Campaigns, so let's hope everything will be all right.

GOTV campaigns are important, but ultimately wasted if the votes is not audited. And it won't be.

I'm afraid your optimism is based more on wishful thinking than on fact.

Cornelia said...

Sorry, this is a point we probably have to agree to disagree about. I hope it's no problem since we agree on the common aim of helping the war resisters so that they can stay and therefore it's only a minor issue but personally, I will stick to my optimism. Of course we will need to see how it goes in the end. I got my info from the mailing list of the Democratic Party. Of course some people might say that might have been somehow propaganda and commercials and stuff but at least it seems to have helped in fall 2006 so I hope they will be doing their job again this November as well. Thanks for the reminder, I will email them about it, too, just in case it might be worthwhile and needed! I guess they won't want to lose again either...

L-girl said...

Cornelia, of course it's no problem. I hope I'm wrong!

Cornelia said...

Great, thanks!

Cornelia said...

And that's what I wrote them:

Hi,

I agree we must make sure not to let the Republicans win us out!!! We must continue to work together and to stand up to them so that we can vote that bunch finally out of office in November 2008.
Thanks so much for recognizing Hillary' great work. Now she has said she is ready to support Obama against the Republicans. That's definitely helpful and generous and kindhearted and also reasonable and supportive in order not to let the Republicans take advantage of any possible rivalry situation we might have had before within the Democratic Party. She does a great job and will do the Party and America a lot of good. And so do many other lady candidates and politicians. Please make sure to address feminist concerns and to do all your best to help women realize their rights and their full freedom and equality and to stop violence against women, domestic violence and sexism and to counter the backlash Bush and his Republican accomplices have caused for women during both their terms.
And please do make sure that every vote gets counted, like you did in the Congress elections in fall 2006 so that the Republicans can't steal the victory from us by manipulations and election fraud, like they unfortunately did before, making Bush President and enabling him and his club to cause us a lot of terrible and huge problems and disadvantages!
That's very, very relevant and vital in order to ensure the considerable and substantial improvements we are all working and hoping for.

For a Democratic victory,
Cornelia

Hope it helps somehow, haha...

redsock said...

I trust Democrats will ensure that every vote gets counted, like in fall 2006 with the Congress elections. They made a lot of preparations and implemented many measures in order to make sure that fraud and manipulations be prevented from getting committed again.

What were some of the "many measures" they implemented prior to the 2006 mid-terms?

Cornelia said...

Sorry, I don't know anything about such measures before the elections in fall 2006, Redsock. I really have no idea. Maybe they were introduced just in 2006? I guess so, but I really can't tell for sure, sorry!

Sorry, but I don't think we have been in touch before I registered on this blog, Laura. Why did you think so? But nice to get to know you, anyway, better late than never, haha!

L-girl said...

Sorry, I don't know anything about such measures before the elections in fall 2006, Redsock. I really have no idea. Maybe they were introduced just in 2006? I guess so, but I really can't tell for sure, sorry!

Cornelia, perhaps you misunderstood Redsock's question.

Earlier, you said:

I trust Democrats will ensure that every vote gets counted, like in fall 2006 with the Congress elections. They made a lot of preparations and implemented many measures in order to make sure that fraud and manipulations be prevented from getting committed again.

Redsock was asking you what some of these measures were.

We follow election fraud issues and are not aware of the Democrats being at all involved in securing a fair vote.

You say that they implemented measures for the 2006 election. We are asking what those measures were.

Your response?

Cornelia said...

Thanks for the clarification. I don't remember everything, but they asked people to register for voting in time and to get in touch with them for support right away if anybody attempted to turn them away. They also made sure members of their party were present at the ballot so Republicans wouldn't have been able to get away with everything nasty! That's at least what they wrote the people on their mailing-list, including myself, in 2006. And it seems to have worked out, since they won in fall 2006 at the mid term elections. Sorry but that's all I know about the issue!

L-girl said...

So in other words, they did nothing different that you know of. This is just the usual stuff.

"They also made sure members of their party were present at the ballot so Republicans wouldn't have been able to get away with everything nasty!"

No one from either party can be present at the ballot. No such thing is allowed.

But even if someone could stand there, it would do no good. If electronic voting machines are being used, the fix is already in. It's done electornically. Having a person stationed at the voting booth wouldn't do a damn thing.

Cornelia, the Dems did nothing when the 2000 election was stolen, and nothing when the 2004 election was stolen. A few lone voices in Congress stood up, but they had no party backing.

More states use electronic voting now than in 2004. There is no reason to imagine that the 2008 election will be fair and valid.

What's more, these Democrats that you're so excited about won the 2006 midterm elections by pledging to get the US out of Iraq. We see how that worked out.

If you're excited about the Democrats and think they're going to turn the US around, that's great for you and I wish you a lot of luck. However, this blog is not an appropriate place to cheerlead for the Democrats. They are at least half the reason the US is in the shape it's in - and at least half the reason I'm in Canada.

redsock said...

Just as I suspected, the Democrats have done absolutely nothing to stem the tide of voter fraud in the US.

After the 2000 election, they promised to do something to fix the problem. They did nothing. In fact, they stood by while the problem got worse.

After the 2002 midterm elections, they promised to do something to fix the problem. They did nothing. In fact, they stood by while the problem got worse.

After the 2004 election, they promised to do something to fix the problem. They did nothing. In fact, they stood by while the problem got worse.

After the 2006 midterm elections, they promised to do something to fix the problem. They did nothing. In fact, they stood by while the problem got worse.

In my opinion, they are worse that the Republicans on this issue. At least, the right-wing doesn't bother wasting time promising (and lying) to do something about the problem.

Electronic Voting Was Rife with Errors on Nov. 7 [2006]

Quote:
"Imagine, by the way, if Democrats had taken such a responsible position to impound machines every time votes were reported to have flipped from Democrat to Republican -- certainly the more commonly reported occurrence on Tuesday. There wouldn't be a voting machine left in the country. It's a pity the Democrats haven't figured that out. Yet.

"They're so delighted to have won anything they haven't stopped to realize they might have taken 40 seats in the House instead of just 30 had they bothered to fight for an accountable, secure, transparent electoral system and instructed their candidates to concede nothing until every vote was counted, verified and audited for accuracy."

Also:

Clear Evidence 2006 Congressional Elections Hacked

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I welcome any evidence to the contrary. Is there any evidence out there that the Democrats did anything substantial to thwart voter fraud in 2006?

Cornelia said...

Sorry I have no more information and no real hard evidence on the issue, Redsock. Probably it would be best just to agree to disagree on the matter and to concentrate on the support for the war resisters, I guess. Of course, I also regret that the Iraq war has still not been ended and that the servicemen and servicewomen still haven't been brought home. I agree the blog is not about what I think about the Dems! Of course I know that, it was just something I mentioned by the way and it got discussed in a controversial way but I will be happy to stick to the main issues. Laura, of course I can understand that it's way better to live in Canada. The whole general situation is better, including a generally way more liberal climate, way better social security and legal aid, no death penalty, better constitutional state, no Republicans etc.etc. Okay, the winter can be tough, but that's the same in the North of the US and not everybody minds, too! Do you live in Toronto, Laura? I have heard that's a wonderful, very international and interesting city!

L-girl said...

Sorry I have no more information and no real hard evidence on the issue, Redsock.

Of course you don't. You can't have evidence of something that doesn't exist.

I agree the blog is not about what I think about the Dems! Of course I know that, it was just something I mentioned by the way and it got discussed in a controversial way

You didn't mention it "by the way". It has been the main theme of all your comments.

It got discussed "in a controversial way" because I vehemently disagree with you.

But now hopefully you'll save the Democrat cheerleading talk for other blogs. Thank you.

Cornelia said...

No worries, Laura, in the future I sure will publish the stuff about Dems on other blogs, for example at my myspace area, where I have also published my essays on Susan B. Anthony and where I will publish my doctorate on improvements in stopping violence against women when I have come round to translate it into English, which might take a few years due to my callcenter office work job, haha! Of course I will make sure not to slip back and not to publish stuff on Dems over here at your blog any more. Sorry!
Anything new about progress with convincing Harper and Ms Finley etc. to let the war resisters stay yet? Has anybody received answers to their emails from them yet? Or any other positive news?