8.03.2007

how much time should she do?

It's been a long time since I blogged about reproductive rights, long a primary focus of my life. Wmtc mainstay James sent me this excellent story by Anna Quindlen. Please read it and watch the accompanying video.

Since I haven't blogged about abortion rights in a long time, I will remind readers that this blog is not a forum to debate a woman's right to terminate her pregnancy. Anti-choice opinions will be deleted. Thank you for your cooperation.
How Much Jail Time for Women Who Have Abortions?
By Anna Quindlen

Buried among prairie dogs and amateur animation shorts on YouTube is a curious little mini-documentary shot in front of an abortion clinic in Libertyville, Ill. The man behind the camera is asking demonstrators who want abortion criminalized what the
penalty should be for a woman who has one nonetheless. You have rarely seen people look more gobsmacked. It's as though the guy has asked them to solve quadratic equations. Here are a range of responses: "I've never really thought about it." "I don't have an answer for that." "I don't know." "Just pray for them."

You have to hand it to the questioner; he struggles manfully. "Usually when things are illegal there's a penalty attached," he explains patiently. But he can't get a single person to be decisive about the crux of a matter they have been approaching with absolute certainty.

A new public-policy group called the National Institute for Reproductive Health wants to take this contradiction and make it the centerpiece of a national conversation, along with a slogan that stops people in their tracks: how much time should she do? If the Supreme Court decides abortion is not protected by a constitutional guarantee of privacy, the issue will revert to the states. If it goes to the states, some, perhaps many, will ban abortion. If abortion is made a crime, then surely the woman who has one is a criminal. But, boy, do the doctrinaire suddenly turn squirrelly at the prospect of throwing women in jail.

"They never connect the dots," says Jill June, president of Planned Parenthood of Greater Iowa. But her organization urged voters to do just that in the last gubernatorial election, in which the Republican contender believed abortion should be illegal even in cases of rape and incest. "We wanted him to tell the women of Iowa exactly how much time he expected them to serve in jail if they had an abortion," June recalled. Chet Culver, the Democrat who unabashedly favors legal abortion, won that race, proving that choice can be a winning issue if you force people to stop evading the hard facts. "How have we come this far in the debate and been oblivious to the logical ramifications of making abortion illegal?" June says.

Perhaps by ignoring or infantilizing women, turning them into "victims" of their own free will. State statutes that propose punishing only a physician suggest the woman was merely some addled bystander who happened to find herself in the wrong stirrups at the wrong time. Such a view seemed to be a vestige of the past until the
Supreme Court handed down its most recent abortion decision upholding a federal prohibition on a specific procedure. Justice Anthony Kennedy, obviously feeling excessively paternal, argued that the ban protected women from themselves. "While we find no reliable data to measure the phenomenon," he wrote, "it seems unexceptionable to conclude some women come to regret their choice to abort the infant life they once created and sustained."

Even with "no reliable data," he went on to conclude that "severe depression and loss of esteem can follow." (Apparently, no one has told Justice Kennedy about the severe depression and loss of esteem that can follow bearing and raising a baby you can't afford and didn't want.) Luckily, there still remains one justice on the court
who has actually been pregnant, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg roared back with a dissent that called Kennedy's caveat about regret an "anti-abortion shibboleth" and his opinion a reflection of "ancient notions about women's place in the family and under the Constitution-ideas that have long since been discredited."

Those ancient notions undergird the refusal to confront the logical endpoint of criminalization. Lawmakers in a number of states have already passed or are considering statutes designed to outlaw abortion if Roe is overturned. But almost none hold the woman, the person who set the so-called crime in motion, accountable. Is the message that women are not to be held responsible for their actions?

Or is it merely that those writing the laws understand that if women were going to jail, the vast majority of Americans would violently object? Watch the demonstrators in Libertyville try to worm their way out of the hypocrisy: It's murder, but she'll get her punishment from God. It's murder, but it depends on her state of mind. It's murder, but the penalty should be ... counseling?

The great thing about video is that you can see the mental wheels turning as these people realize that they somehow have overlooked something central while they were slinging certainties. Nearly 20 years ago, in a presidential debate, George Bush the elder was asked this very question, whether in making abortion illegal he would punish the woman who had one. "I haven't sorted out the penalties," he said lamely.

Neither, it turns out, has anyone else. But there are only two logical choices: hold women accountable for a criminal act by sending them to prison, or refuse to criminalize the act in the first place. If you can't countenance the first, you have to accept the second. You can't have it both ways.

Video here.

14 comments:

impudent strumpet said...

"severe depression and loss of esteem can follow."

Yeah, this can also happen as a result of job loss, getting dumped, and adolescence. Let's ban those too while we're at it.

Seriously though, it would also be interesting to do a survey asking women if the threat of jail time would actually make them less likely to get an abortion. I can think of many situations where it wouldn't make a difference.

M@ said...

Truly brilliant stuff. It's activism at its very, very finest. I wish I could think up that kind of stuff.

I can't wait till the next time I run across an abortion protest. Not that I run across them too often, but there were a bunch of old men who spent every Thursday picketing the hospital at my university. Poor, sad men.

L-girl said...

Yeah, this can also happen as a result of job loss, getting dumped, and adolescence. Let's ban those too while we're at it.

Good point! But abortion can also lead to feelings of great relief and joy. Perhaps it should be mandatory?

It's activism at its very, very finest.

Very true.

M. Yass said...

"severe depression and loss of esteem can follow."

It's a lot more likely to happen from being compelled to raise a child you didn't want in the first place. And society is more likely to suffer if it has to take care of said child. This is especially true given that the anti-choice crowd doesn't give a shit about these fetii once they can no longer use them as pawns in their political game. Welfare? Cut. Childhood health insurance? Vetoed.

Now, having said all of that, I do think something is lost in the abortion debate. I think both sides forget that women do not wake up one morning and think, "ya know, unplanned pregnancy and an abortion sounds like a lot of fun!" Women agonize over this decision and are ill-served by certain elements of the pro-choice movement.

Of course, they're ill-served by people like ex-Washington State Patrol trooper Lane Jackstadt, who detained a couple going to an abortion appointment for 45 minutes trying to talk them out of it.

My response to a young woman close to me who was contemplating abortion would be, "I deeply regret that you find yourself in this terrible position. What can I do to be supportive of whatever decision you make? Place to crash for a few days while you get your abortion (because Scalito interpreted away the right to abortion)? No problem. Baby clothes and diapers? No problem. Help getting access to contraception so that you don't find yourself in this mess again? No problem."

If I may toot my own horn a bit for a sec, that's a whole lot more than most of the anti-choice people will do. "Okay, Mr. Pro-Life guy, I kept my baby. Now what I am I supposed to?" The response is, "I'll pray for you, my child. Now run along home."

I personally see the need for abortion as a greater failure: If children were told the truth about contraception and sex, there would be a lot less need for it. Rather, they're taught religious dogma that has no basis in fact or rationality.

L-girl said...

Now, having said all of that, I do think something is lost in the abortion debate. I think both sides forget that women do not wake up one morning and think, "ya know, unplanned pregnancy and an abortion sounds like a lot of fun!" Women agonize over this decision and are ill-served by certain elements of the pro-choice movement.

1. The pro-choice side does not forget this. It is a mainstay of thought of the movement. That's why we oppose obstacles like mandatory waiting periods.

2. Not every woman agonize over the decision to terminate a pregnancy. In many situations - I might even venture to say most - the choice is crystal clear.

3. Unplanned and unwanted pregnancies happen among the most literate, educated, sex-aware members of our society. While we need more and better sex education, you are inadvertently perpetuating the myth that mostly uneducated or low-income women have abortions. There is absolutely no evidence to support this.

L-girl said...

M Yass, it sounds as though you might be confusing the pro-choice movement with some sort of pro-abortion cult which exists only in the imaginations of the US media.

M. Yass said...

How much time should she do? According to the Catholic church, 30 years. Even if they're nine-year-old rape victims. I wish I were making this up, I really do.

Believe me when I tell you that learning of things like these were very hazardous to my Catholic upbringing. Needless to say, I now cast my lost with the "I, too, wish to be excommunicated" crowd.

M. Yass said...

L-girl said...

M Yass, it sounds as though you might be confusing the pro-choice movement with some sort of pro-abortion cult which exists only in the imaginations of the US media.


Oh yes, the Pro-Abortion Death Cult. But of course it exists - I heard about it on Faux News and from Rush "Oxy" Limbaugh!

L-girl said...

Exactly. :)

Thanks for the link to that story on El Salvador.

M. Yass said...

L-girl said...

Thanks for the link to that story on El Salvador.


You're most welcome. I don't think that link requires registration, but if it does, just use BugMeNot.

I sincerely hope you and the others take the time to read the whole story. It is heart wrenching.

Short version: When women go to the hospital with polyorgan septic infections from botched back-alley abortions, the doctors are required to get the police involved. If a hysterectomy becomes necessary, the woman's uterus is preserved as evidence against her.

In other words, in El Salvador, the Catholic church showed its true colors (or is it "colours"?) and is speaking volumes about what the Church really thinks of women.

redsock said...

Here's a link to a story of a woman charged with murder even though a medical examiner has certified that the fetus she is charged with "murdering" was stillborn.

(Though in a search of the woman's house, police "found the remains of three more preterm infants".)

L-girl said...

From the link in Redsock's comment:

This case is going to be sensationalized for all the wrong reasons. I think they’re throwing the book at this woman because of the "ick" factor. The real outrage is that a woman is being charged with murder for a stillbirth.

"Stillbirth" being an antiquated term for a nonviable fetus. A dead clump of cells. Murder. Think of it.

Scott M. said...

Huh. Must of missed this first time 'round.

I'm surprised the journalists in the video found that many folks who don't understand what they're fighting against.

Even me, a staunch pro-choice advocate can see the problem with the question being posed. Each of them said the women shouldn't be punished -- they should have caught on that what they are looking to have done is make the *providing* of abortions illegal. In other words have a Doctor punished if she or he completes the procedure.

It is surprising they could go years without figuring that out.

I also wonder if they recognize the consequence of that action, which is to drive abortion underground and risk lives not only of fetuses but of mothers as well.

If they honestly *do* think *having* an abortion should be illegal, they should be willing to back it up. There are a lot of laws on the books which are there to provide moral suasion and not intended to be enforced (which either the protesters don’t realize or they do realize and have been edited out) that carry a slap on the wrist – one year in jail and a $500 fine or something.

Anyway, you’d think they would have thought it through.

KEvron said...

"Anyway, you’d think they would have thought it through.

i would never give them so much credit....

KEvron