2.22.2007

dilemma: please opine

I'm supposed to be writing right now. But that's not the dilemma.

I've chatted with my DNS hosts. It seems much of strange behaviour of wmtc.ca is caused by the "stealth" URL forwarding.

The "ghost" blog address - how this blog is actually hosted on Blogger - is wmtc.blogspot.com. It is then stealth-forwarded to wmtc.ca. That's how I can use Blogger, get all the new Blogger functions, and still have my own domain name.

If I turn off stealth forwarding, and just use regular URL forwarding, the ghost URL will appear in your browser. But the blog would stop doing some of the odd things it does, like retain the wmtc.ca URL when you click on a link from this page.

But what's the point of having my own URL, which I pay for and which I am very fond of, if this other URL shows up in your browser? It wouldn't even be my original address, wemovetocanada.blogspot.com, but some non-existent URL. If I'm not going to use wmtc.ca, I would have just stayed with the original address in the first place.

Which would you do? Not worry about these little weirdities? Or turn off the stealth feature and get this other address?

Before you answer, please do not suggest another option entirely, such as using WordPress software or switching to WordPress's hosted service. I have explored both those possibilities to death, along with several others. For many reasons, Blogger is still the best (or least worst) option for me.

Update: Please don't be put off by the long off-topic conversation, which a few of us picked up from this thread (more on the subject here). I do want your opinion on this. Thanks.

39 comments:

Scott M. said...

Within about two days of you switching to the stealth URL forwarding, I reset all of my bookmarks to www.wmtc.blogspot.com to avoid the headaches.

I agree it's nice to have www.wmtc.ca and you should still promote it and switch back to it when blogger fully supports it, but until then I would just have www.wmtc.ca forwarded regularly.

West End Bound said...

Far be it from me to tell the "Grande Dame" of immigration blogs what to do, but I will say this:

Clicking on links from wmtc.ca and having that URL remain is a little disconcerting. How long is this "temporary glitch" estimated to continue? If it's just a short period of time, maybe it's not worth fooling with??

L-girl said...

How long is this "temporary glitch" estimated to continue?

It's not a temporary glitch. It's caused by the stealth URL forwarding. As long as I use that, that's what will happen. (I didn't know this would happen when I configured it.)

L-girl said...

Just so no one thinks I'm ignoring anyone, I'm going to wait til many more people vote before commenting one way or the other.

David Cho said...

Good luck with this. I am thinking about this too.

BTW, you will be happy to know that I bought the No Direction Home DVD, and watched about 2 hours of it.

Just wanna smack those British boys moaning and booing. What is interesting is that they showed up expecting Dylan to sing anti-war/counter culture songs, but they should have looked in the mirror. All dressed like clean cut preppy yuppies from Oxford.

I also learned for the first time that Dylan also experimented with Christianity and even released gospel albums.

L-girl said...

David! So glad you followed up on No Direction Home.

Just wanna smack those British boys moaning and booing.

I find it so interesting and funny. (Also maddening because I'd give anything to have been there!!) But it's a perfect illustration of how our own expectations colour and distort our experience - of how people are not open to new experiences because they are clinging to their own rigid expectations.

I also learned for the first time that Dylan also experimented with Christianity and even released gospel albums.

Oh, I think it was more than experimentation. He was very into it. It caused quite the sensation.

Some of Dylan's earlier work can also be interpreted as having Christian themes, somewhat disguised. I don't care for most of his gospely music, but a few numbers are very good. The popular cut from that era was "You Gotta Serve Somebody".

I should have told you about this earlier (duh), but I'm glad you discovered it.

I'll wait for your opinion on the current dilemma. :)

David Cho said...

What is your current setup right now?

No matter what I click (your old post or another site), the address bar retains wmtc.ca, not the URL.

I thought after you got your domain, it behaved as expected. When I clicked on your old post, the whole URL showed in the address bar.

L-girl said...

David, try reading this post again. It is the answer to your questions.

L-girl said...

Also, please look at the sidebar. I've been aware of these issue for quite a while.

redsock said...

I say keep it the way it is. People got used to registering for comments, they will deal with this. Or they won't.

Funny timing -- I have been listening recently to a few of Dylan's gospel shows that I downloaded from the Internets. (I can give you the URLs to find the mp3 files if you like.)

The main LPs were Slow Train Coming (1979) and Saved (1980). His two albums after that (Shot of Love and Infidels) were a mix of religious and secular stuff.

I'm not sure but it sounds like the reaction to his shows then -- which were 100% gospel, NONE of his old songs, just ones from STC and others that he would later record for Saved (plus some solo numbers from his backup singers) -- was at least as strong as the outrage during 1965/66. Long-time fans were turned off by both music and the many Christians who came out to the shows. (So he's provoked that kind of reaction twice in his career.)

What is amazing to me is hearing Dylan preach! And he was dead serious; this was not a phase (at that time). People are yelling "rock and roll" and cat-calling and calling out old song titles and he keeps talking about the end times and Jesus setting up his kingdom.

There is a show in November 1979 in Tempe, Arizona (it was pretty early in his first gospel tour) where the crowd was *very* hostile (no one knew that he would not do any non-gospel songs) and he goes off on this long rant, telling them if they want to rock and roll, they can go next door to see KISS and "rock and roll all the way down to the pit" of hell fire. !!!!!!!!!!!

Most of the music is actually pretty damn good. He wrote a number of excellent modern gospel songs: "When He Returns" and "I Believe In You" (both from STC) are fantastic and other stuff like "Solid Rock" and "Saved" just flat out rock (in both a rock and gospel sense)! And "Every Grain Of Sand" from Shot Of Love is one of the best songs he's ever written, imo.

...

Now back to the web discussion.

L-girl said...

That's fascinating - that he has been booed and shouted at on two separate tours, for different specifics, but the same reason: confounding fans's expectations while playing the music he wanted to play.

At the time, Dylan's preaching disgusted me. Not his conversion, that's his business - but the preaching. But the music snuck up on me. I came to like it - a lot.

David Cho said...

Ah..I see your dilemma. Right now I just set up TheBestDogInTheWorld.com to my blog to experiment. So both options really suck. I am very proud of that domain too :). I will have to think about this because I want to use that domain for my blog from now on.

David Cho said...

Now Dylan.

I have never been to concerts like this, and I do not understand the booing. In No Direction Home, some guy yells - "Traitor, listen to your own music." That made me livid. I happen to love Mr. Tambourine Man.

Through my rhapsody.com, I have access to Shot of Love, Infidel, and Saved, but not Slow Train Coming. Would very much appreciate a link. Could you email me (profnachos@gmail.com)?

People tell me that after his conversion, Christians tried to shove down political conservatism down his throat, which was probably one of the things that put him off. Makes sense because Bob's conversion came around the time of my own and that was when the likes of Falwell and Robertson rose to national prominence.

Imagine the iconic figure of the 60's turning to political conservatism. That would have a huge PR boost for the Religious Right.

I love that fact that Dylan has always been his own man even though various groups have tried to claim as one of their own. No Direction Home shares very little about his Jewish background for example. I can personally relate to it, and appreciate that a lot. Not having a "group" identity can make you lonesome, but not having my skin crawl is a good thing.

L-girl said...

I love that fact that Dylan has always been his own man even though various groups have tried to claim as one of their own.

Me too.

You saw another hero of mine in No Direction Home: Allen Ginsberg. The way he talks about Dylan is so perfect. "Stood up on his hind legs"!!

L-girl said...

Makes sense because Bob's conversion came around the time of my own

Wow. That's cool.

Allan thinks I should set up a Dylan thread for us all to go about this. But we can just keep talking about it wherever.

redsock said...

David, I'll send you an email about the LPs and shows.

I found clips on YouTube from Dylan's Toronto show on April 20, 1980, recorded for a live album that was never released. I actually listened to this show on the drive back from Vermont today!

Solid Rock and Saved and When He Returns (Dylan at piano)

And check out: Ain't Gonna Go To Hell For Anybody (played live but never officially released; fascinating lyrics, plus an exaggerated Dylan vocal (I know where it leads)) Plus preaching (he is referring to that Tempe show in this rap and how they booed him)! (I gotta find a DVD copy of this!)

Very curious to know what you think of these. (Search "dylan 1980" at YouTube for all 16 clips) (The guy who put these up has a ton of Dylan.)

The preaching is also amazing because during most years/shows Dylan never spoke to the audience. At all. It's a must see.

L-girl said...

Maybe I should label this post music? :)

redsock said...

Plus you can now imagine me driving along the 401 while "I've been saved by the blood of the lamb" is blasting out of the car speakers!

:>/

redsock said...

Second half of Isis (1975)

The snow was outrageous!

redsock said...

Idiot Wind (1976)

I woke up on the ROADside
DAYdreamin' 'bout the WAY things REally ARE

David Cho said...

Just got done listening to Saved and Solid Rock.

I usually get put off by "Christian" music, because contemporary Christian lyrics tend to be very vague about the "Christian" part.

There is no beating around the bush in Dylan's lyrics. You are right, he wasn't just going through a phase. That is some serious stuff. They reflect his rather deep and intimate knowledge of the Bible and the faith.

Also, the style reminds me of what you typical hear at African American churches. And lo and behold, most backup singers are African American.

When He Returns .... WOW! I am still trying to pick up my jaw off the floor. I actually teared up. And that's from the Train album? The one I don't have access to through Rhapsody?

On to the rest. Thanks a million Allan.

L-girl said...

OK, time to move this conversation to email. Thanks.

We now return comments to their original programming...

David Cho said...

Actually I might have what you are looking for.

Check out my site - TheBestDogInTheWorld.com and click on the external links. As to an internal link, click on the very top one "reclaiming our Christian roots."

If that is to your liking, Allan and I get to continue to use this thread :).

David Cho said...

Okay, copy and paste www.thebestdogintheworld.com to your URL bar since your site is still broken :)

L-girl said...

Email please!!!

(And my site is not broken!)

redsock said...

I usually get put off by "Christian" music, because contemporary Christian lyrics tend to be very vague about the "Christian" part.

I'm just the opposite -- though plenty of blues singers we love also did religious stuff. But if it is done well and not so literal, it can work for me. And songs like "I Believe In You" can be read as being sung to either a person or God.

That is some serious stuff. They reflect his rather deep and intimate knowledge of the Bible and the faith.

I'm reading "Song and Dance Man III: The Art of Bob Dylan", a huge book on Dylan and his lyrics/influences/analysis thereof. And in writing about the gospel period, the author marvels at the seamless way he works scripture into his lyrics (sometimes 2 or 3 allusions in a given line) and how easily they flow.

When He Returns .... WOW! I am still trying to pick up my jaw off the floor. I actually teared up.

It's quite a performance. Someone might think his vocals are really bad, but I think the way his voice breaks, cracks and gasps adds a lot to the song.

Of course, the proposed gospel live album was never released. Maybe because Saved sold about 12 copies worldwide; it was quite a disaster.

And that's from the Train album? The one I don't have access to through Rhapsody?

Yup.

L-girl said...

Hellloooo??? EMAIL PLEASE. Thanking you!

redsock said...

The organ on When He Returns -- gliding along, riding and cresting with the rhythm in Dylan's voice -- pushes the whole performance to greatness.

Re the lyrical structure: Dylan does this a lot -- where he ends verses with the same line, usually the song title; when you get the line that he's using the endline to rhyme with (Don't you burn, Will I ever learn?, He is unconcerned), you obviously know what he's going to be singing, and you've got the payoff of the rhyme that is going to come, yet it is never -- and I mean never, in any song -- boring or has you not paying attention.

I'd like to describe this better, but I can't. One reason is his phrasing, which is a huge part of his genius, some of it is giving you a moment to simply enjoy the writing (since it eases up on the tension of the lyric).

Maybe Laura can talk about this, since he does it so much on Blood On The Tracks.

L-girl said...

WTF? Will you please cut this out?

David Cho said...

Laura, sent you an ON-TOPIC email.

L-girl said...

I reset all of my bookmarks to www.wmtc.blogspot.com to avoid the headaches.

Scott, if you're still reading this thread, what headaches do you refer to?

I've tested both URLs from several different computers, and I find no difference. Both addresses go immediately to the same place.

Using the blogspot address doesn't avoid the issues of the URL staying in your browser (unfortunately).

I'm curious what headaches it was causing and how they were solved by using the ghost URL. The information could be helpful.

Scott M. said...

Hi Laura....

Actually, using www.wmtc.blogspot.com makes things "normal" (no frames) whereas wmtc.blogspot.com redirects me to wmtc.ca (frames) and makes things not work right.

Problems experienced:
Unable to see some graphics, at random, on the post a comment page (including, almost always, the verification graphic when it existed). Unable to navigate effectively using by BBY (though the frames help through my BBY showed me that www.wmtc.blogspot.com was the frameless site). And finally, through the wmtc.ca I often get complaints that I don't have javascript or cookies enabled when I do.

L-girl said...

Wow, interesting. None of that has happened to me on any test.

Some of those things (word verification, java or cookie error messages) have happened, but they were happening before the stealth forwarding, and would happen using either URL.

Remember, wmtc.ca existed for 6 months or so without stealth forwarding. I was using FTP publishing through Blogger.

So those were Blogger-related problems, not specific to this blog, and for the most part they've been solved, as long as you log in first.

But I haven't seen any of this other nonsense. Thanks for letting me know.

What is BBY?

Scott M. said...

Sorry... blackberry.

Scott M. said...

Oh... and just to clarify... I did not have any problems when you were hosting the page (FTP), it only happened when the frames came in the picture.

Frames in the picture... isn't it usually the other way around?

L-girl said...

Ah, your Blackberry. I'll put that down to Blackberry's limitations.

So all these issues started only a few weeks ago - you didn't have any of them when I was using FTP publishing?

L-girl said...

Oops, we were typing at the same time, you just answered my question. Thanks!

L-girl said...

I did not have any problems when you were hosting the page (FTP), it only happened when the frames came in the picture.

FTP publishing caused a lot of problems on my end and was very limiting. I hated it.

Plus, Blogger is phasing it out anyway, so even if it had worked well, I would have had to give it up at some point.

But I never hosted the page. Blogger was always the host. With FTP, an external host hosted the URL only. Now an external host hosts the URL and the DNS.

L-girl said...

Scott, since you're reading on a Blackberry, I'm curious why you don't use a feed instead? I'm under the impression that's what most handheld-users do, to avoid any issues with graphics and such.