Habeas Corpus. Produce the body.
Produce the dead body of democracy.
Habeas Corpus is a corner stone of a just judicial system. It's a cornerstone of democracy.
The ruling junta in the US has made it disappear.
If you're not up to speed on this, the Military Commissions Act is now law. Contrary to what (for example) the Globe And Mail says, this is not a "tough on terror" bill. This is a suspension of the democratic process, and a sea change in American law.
Here's the text of the law itself, and some important portions explained.
Human Rights Watch has a thorough analysis written in Q&A form.
From the Washington Post:
Moving quickly to implement the bill signed by President Bush this week that authorizes military trials of enemy combatants, the administration has formally notified the U.S. District Court here that it no longer has jurisdiction to consider hundreds of habeas corpus petitions filed by inmates at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba.Note that this bill had support from both [sic] parties.
In a notice dated Wednesday, the Justice Department listed 196 pending habeas cases, some of which cover groups of detainees. The new Military Commissions Act (MCA), it said, provides that "no court, justice, or judge" can consider those petitions or other actions related to treatment or imprisonment filed by anyone designated as an enemy combatant, now or in the future.
Beyond those already imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay or elsewhere, the law applies to all non-U.S. citizens, including permanent U.S. residents.
The new law already has been challenged as unconstitutional by lawyers representing the petitioners. The issue of detainee rights is likely to reach the Supreme Court for a third time.
Habeas corpus, a Latin term meaning "you have the body," is one of the oldest principles of English and American law. It requires the government to show a legal basis for holding a prisoner. A series of unresolved federal court cases brought against the administration over the last several years by lawyers representing the detainees had left the question in limbo.
Two years ago, in Rasul v. Bush, which gave Guantanamo detainees the right to challenge their detention before a U.S. court, and in this year's Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, the Supreme Court appeared to settle the issue in favor of the detainees. But the new legislation approved by Congress last month, which gives Bush the authority to try detainees before military commissions, included a provision removing judicial review for all habeas claims.
The signing ceremony was part political rally for a GOP that is struggling to retain control of Congress three weeks before pivotal midterm elections. Republican leaders said the legislation showed that they were a party of strength and assailed Democrats for not supporting the measure.Those who claim we are exaggerating the potential of this law either have not read the law, or do not understand the law, or are blind to history, or are naive to how power functions, or all of the above.
"The Democratic plan would gingerly pamper the terrorists who plan to destroy innocent Americans' lives," House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) said.
House Democrats had "voted in favor of new rights for terrorists," Hastert said, adding that the Democrats had "put their liberal agenda ahead of the security of America."
Both chambers of Congress approved the legislation last month in votes largely along party lines.
In the House, 34 Democrats joined 219 Republicans in voting for the bill; 160 Democrats, seven Republicans and one independent voted against it.
In the Senate, 12 Democrats joined 53 Republicans in voting for it; one independent and one Republican joined 32 Democrats in voting against it.
From Robert Parry (with many thanks to Redsock for helping compile these links):
History should record October 17, 2006, as the reverse of July 4, 1776.More from Parry:
From the noble American ideal of each human being possessing "unalienable rights" as declared by the Founders 230 years ago amid the ringing of bells in Philadelphia, the United States effectively rescinded that concept on a dreary fall day in Washington.
At a crimped ceremony in the East Room of the White House, President George W. Bush signed the Military Commissions Act of 2006 while sitting behind a sign reading "Protecting America."
On the surface, the law sets standards for harsh interrogations, prosecutions and executions of supposed terrorists and other "unlawful combatants," including al-Qaeda members who allegedly conspired to murder nearly 3,000 people on Sept. 11, 2001.
"It is a rare occasion when a President can sign a bill he knows will save American lives," Bush said. "I have that privilege this morning."
But the new law does much more. In effect, it creates a parallel "star chamber" system of criminal justice for anyone, including an American citizen, who is suspected of engaging in, contributing to or acting in support of violent acts directed against the U.S. government or its allies anywhere on earth.
The law strips "unlawful combatants" and their alleged fellow-travelers of the fundamental right of habeas corpus, meaning that they can't challenge their imprisonment in civilian courts, at least not until after they are brought before a military tribunal, tried under special secrecy rules and then sentenced.
One of the catches, however, is that with habeas corpus suspended these suspects have no guarantee of a swift trial and can theoretically be jailed indefinitely at the President's discretion. Given the endless nature of the "global war on terror," suspects could disappear forever into the dark hole of unlimited executive authority, their fate hidden even from their families.
While incarcerated, the "unlawful combatants" and their cohorts can be subjected to coercive interrogations with their words used against them if and when they are brought to trial as long as a military judge approves.
The military tribunals also could use secret evidence to prosecute a wide range of "disloyal" American citizens as well as anti-American non-citizens. The procedures are similar to "star chambers," which have been employed historically by absolute monarchs and totalitarian states.
The New York Times lead editorial gives false comfort to American citizens by assuring them that they will not be victims of George W. Bush's new draconian system for prosecuting enemies of the U.S. government in military tribunals outside constitutional protections.I've been reading what various bloggers and pundits have to say about this terrible turning point, and I've seen no one who says it more powerfully and more truly than Keith Olbermann. I've got two Olbermann pieces for you today.
"This law does not apply to American citizens," the Times editorial stated, "but it does apply to other legal United States residents. And it chips away at the foundations of the judicial system in ways that all Americans should find threatening." [NYT, Oct. 19, 2006]
However, the Times analysis appears to be far too gentle. While it's true that some parts of the Military Commissions Act of 2006 target non-citizens, other sections clearly apply to U.S. citizens as well, putting citizens inside the same tribunal system with resident aliens and foreigners.
"Any person is punishable as a principal under this chapter who commits an offense punishable by this chapter, or aids, abets, counsels, commands, or procures its commission," according to the law, passed by the Republican-controlled Congress in September and signed by Bush on Oct. 17.
"Any person subject to this chapter who, in breach of an allegiance or duty to the United States, knowingly and intentionally aids an enemy of the United States . . . shall be punished as a military commission . . . may direct. ..."
If the Times is correct that "this law does not apply to American citizens," why does it contain language referring to "any person" and then adding in an adjacent context a reference to people acting "in breach of an allegiance or duty to the United States"?
Who has "an allegiance or duty to the United States" if not an American citizen? That provision would not presumably apply to Osama bin Laden or al-Qaeda, nor would it apply generally to foreign citizens. This section of the law appears to be singling out American citizens. [The whole piece is excellent.]
In the first, which I implore you to watch, Olbermann interviews law professor Jonathan Turley.
In the second, Olbermann gives us a much-needed history lesson.
We have lived as if in a trance. We have lived - as people in fear.If you take away one thing from this post, please watch the Olbermann clips.
And now — our rights and our freedoms in peril — we slowly awake to learn that we have been afraid - of the wrong thing.
Therefore, tonight, have we truly become, the inheritors of our American legacy. For, on this first full day that the Military Commissions Act is in force, we now face what our ancestors faced, at other times of exaggerated crisis and melodramatic fear-mongering:
A government more dangerous to our liberty, than is the enemy it claims to protect us from.
We have been here before — and we have been here before led here — by men better and wiser and nobler than George W. Bush.
We have been here when President John Adams insisted that the Alien and Sedition Acts were necessary to save American lives — only to watch him use those Acts to jail newspaper editors.
American newspaper editors, in American jails, for things they wrote, about America.
We have been here, when President Woodrow Wilson insisted that the Espionage Act was necessary to save American lives — only to watch him use that Act to prosecute 2,000 Americans, especially those he disparaged as "Hyphenated Americans," most of whom were guilty only of advocating peace in a time of war.
American public speakers, in American jails, for things they said, about America.
And we have been here when President Franklin D. Roosevelt insisted that Executive Order 9-0-6-6 was necessary to save American lives — only to watch him use that Order to imprison and pauperize 110-thousand Americans -
While his man-in-charge -
General DeWitt, told Congress: "It makes no difference whether he is an American citizen — he is still a Japanese."
American citizens, in American camps, for something they neither wrote nor said nor did — but for the choices they or their ancestors had made, about coming to America.
Each of these actions was undertaken for the most vital, the most urgent, the most inescapable of reasons.
And each, was a betrayal of that for which the President who advocated them, claimed to be fighting.
Adams and his party were swept from office, and the Alien and Sedition Acts erased.
Many of the very people Wilson silenced, survived him, and -
- one of them even ran to succeed him, and got 900-thousand votes - though his Presidential campaign was conducted entirely - from his jail cell.
And Roosevelt's internment of the Japanese was not merely the worst blight on his record, but it would necessitate a formal apology from the government of the United States, to the citizens of the United States, whose lives it ruined.
The most vital - the most urgent - the most inescapable of reasons.
In times of fright, we have been, only human.
We have let Roosevelt's "fear of fear itself" overtake us.
We have listened to the little voice inside that has said "the wolf is at the door; this will be temporary; this will be precise; this too shall pass."
We have accepted, that the only way to stop the terrorists, is to let the government become just a little bit like the terrorists.
Just the way we once accepted that the only way to stop the Soviets, was to let the government become just a little bit like the Soviets.
Or substitute: the Japanese.
Or the Germans.
Or the Socialists.
Or the Anarchists.
Or the Immigrants.
Or the British.
Or the Aliens.
The most vital, the most urgent, the most inescapable of reasons.
And, always, always - wrong.
"With the distance of history, the questions will be narrowed and few: Did this generation of Americans take the threat seriously, and did we do what it takes to defeat that threat?"
Wise words.
And ironic ones, Mr. Bush.
Your own, of course, yesterday, in signing the Military Commissions Act.
You spoke so much more than you know, Sir.
Sadly — of course — the distance of history will recognize that the threat this generation of Americans needed to take seriously… was you.
We have a long and painful history of ignoring the prophecy attributed to Benjamin Franklin that "those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
But even within this history, we have not before codified, the poisoning of Habeas Corpus, that wellspring of protection from which all essential liberties flow.
You, sir, have now befouled that spring.
You, sir, have now given us chaos and called it order.
You, sir, have now imposed subjugation and called it freedom.
For the most vital - the most urgent - the most inescapable of reasons.
And — again, Mr. Bush — all of them, wrong.
We have handed a blank check drawn against our freedom to a man who has said it is unacceptable to compare anything this country has ever done, to anything the terrorists have ever done.
We have handed a blank check drawn against our freedom to a man who has insisted again that "the United States does not torture. It's against our laws and it's against our values" and who has said it with a straight face while the pictures from Abu Ghraib Prison and the stories of Waterboarding figuratively fade in and out, around him.
We have handed a blank check drawn against our freedom to a man who may now, if he so decides, declare not merely any non-American citizens "Unlawful Enemy Combatants" and ship them somewhere — anywhere — but may now, if he so decides, declare you an "Unlawful Enemy Combatant" and ship you somewhere - anywhere.
And if you think this, hyperbole or hysteria - ask the newspaper editors when John Adams was President, or the pacifists when Woodrow Wilson was President, or the Japanese at Manzanar when Franklin Roosevelt was President.
And if you somehow think Habeas Corpus has not been suspended for American citizens but only for everybody else, ask yourself this: If you are pulled off the street tomorrow, and they call you an alien or an undocumented immigrant or an "unlawful enemy combatant" — exactly how are you going to convince them to give you a court hearing to prove you are not? Do you think this Attorney General is going to help you?
This President now has his blank check.
He lied to get it.
He lied as he received it.
Is there any reason to even hope, he has not lied about how he intends to use it, nor who he intends to use it against?
"These military commissions will provide a fair trial," you told us yesterday, Mr. Bush. "In which the accused are presumed innocent, have access to an attorney, and can hear all the evidence against them."
'Presumed innocent,' Mr. Bush?
The very piece of paper you signed as you said that, allows for the detainees to be abused up to the point just before they sustain "serious mental and physical trauma" in the hope of getting them to incriminate themselves, and may no longer even invoke The Geneva Conventions in their own defense.
'Access to an attorney,' Mr. Bush?
Lieutenant Commander Charles Swift said on this program, Sir, and to the Supreme Court, that he was only granted access to his detainee defendant, on the promise that the detainee would plead guilty.
'Hearing all the evidence,' Mr. Bush?
The Military Commissions act specifically permits the introduction of classified evidence not made available to the defense.
Your words are lies, Sir.
They are lies, that imperil us all.
"One of the terrorists believed to have planned the 9/11 attacks," - you told us yesterday - "said he hoped the attacks would be the beginning of the end of America."
That terrorist, sir, could only hope.
Not his actions, nor the actions of a ceaseless line of terrorists (real or imagined), could measure up to what you have wrought.
Habeas Corpus? Gone.
The Geneva Conventions? Optional.
The Moral Force we shined outwards to the world as an eternal beacon, and inwards at ourselves as an eternal protection? Snuffed out.
These things you have done, Mr. Bush, they would be "the beginning of the end of America."
And did it even occur to you once sir — somewhere in amidst those eight separate, gruesome, intentional, terroristic invocations of the horrors of 9/11 — that with only a little further shift in this world we now know — just a touch more repudiation of all of that for which our patriots died —
Did it ever occur to you once, that in just 27 months and two days from now when you leave office, some irresponsible future President and a "competent tribunal" of lackeys would be entitled, by the actions of your own hand, to declare the status of "Unlawful Enemy Combatant" for - and convene a Military Commission to try - not John Walker Lindh, but George Walker Bush?
For the most vital, the most urgent, the most inescapable of reasons.
And doubtless, sir, all of them — as always — wrong.
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Those who claim we are exaggerating the potential of this law either have not read the law, or do not understand the law, or are blind to history, or are naive to how power functions, or all of the above.
Or have read it, understood it, and fully approve of its consequences, but are lying.
ZeFrank had some good video commentary on this as well. This one from when the bill was passed (relevant bit starts about halfway through) and this one from Friday (about 2/3 of the way through).
The President said, "It's a rare occasion when a President can sign a bill that he knows will save American lives". Just spit-ballin' here but if you dig that kinda thing, you should look into some bills involving health care, maybe something involving handguns. Call me crazy, but it seems like you should aim for most of your legislation saving American lives. If it's a rare thing and this is the best you've got, we're screwed.
Or have read it, understood it, and fully approve of its consequences, but are lying.
Oh yes, of course!
The people I'm referring to are ordinary American citizens, moderate liberals, who definitely would not approve, but think we are alarmists and engaging in hyperbole.
Thanks for the links.
By the way, readers who feel the way I do about Keith Olbermann might want to email the show to let him know. His employers should know how much we need him.
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October 17, 2006 now takes its place next to December 12, 2000 as one of the darkest days in US history.
And -- surprise! -- the media dutifully complies with its masters and spews nothing but lies about what it means, and what has happened.
Simply: the United States of America is now a dictatorship.
Many people are expressing amazement at how the Regime (Bush and Rove in particular) is acting like they will win the mid-term elections in a walk, even though almost every poll shows them poised to lose big.
I also can't believe they would pass all these laws if there was a chance a Democrat could gain the White House and turn the tables.
As KO says:
Did it ever occur to you once, that in just 27 months and two days from now when you leave office, some irresponsible future President and a "competent tribunal" of lackeys would be entitled, by the actions of your own hand, to declare the status of "Unlawful Enemy Combatant" for - and convene a Military Commission to try - not John Walker Lindh, but George Walker Bush?
This is what really gets me. These people have grabbed something akin to absolute power -- aren't they afraid that it could fall into the hands of the "other" party?
Many people believe -- and believe strongly -- that something will happen in the US between now and 2008 -- something that would dwarf 9/11 -- which will somehow allow this Regime to not leave.
That would not surprise me at all. Indeed, it is the logical next step.
The wonder, to me, is that anyone is still amazed at what these people will do, and still calls any of us alarmists. That anyone still says "But they wouldn't do that..."
When you compile a list of what they've already done, it's clear to me that they're capable of anything and will stop at nothing.
This is what really gets me. These people have grabbed something akin to absolute power -- aren't they afraid that it could fall into the hands of the "other" party?
This is what drives me nuts when we try to talk about stolen elections and Republicans - even moderate Repubs, not just wingnuts - brush us off as "sore losers".
Shouldn't fair elections transcend all partisan concerns? Shouldn't every party want fair elections, even for the most selfish reasons, when the tables turn and the other party is cheating???
ARGH.
I don't think the Evil Party intends to have the tables turn. If you aren't planning on giving up control of the country, it doesn't matter which imperial policies are implemented.
(And Canada has its own problems; Stephen Harper is a smarter version of Maximum Leader Genius, so your country is in as much danger as the United States was a decade ago.)
I don't think the Evil Party intends to have the tables turn. If you aren't planning on giving up control of the country, it doesn't matter which imperial policies are implemented.
I agree. Of course that is not their intentions. However, no power, no matter how absolute and how evil, lasts forever.
Stephen Harper is a smarter version of Maximum Leader Genius
Not even close. Not. Even. Close. The differences are far too great for a comment, but comparing Harper the man with Bush the man is a smokescreen.
Vigilance is always necessary, but Canada of 2006, with a stumbling, unpopular, minority Conservative (for Canada) government is a long, long way from the U.S. in 1996.
Stephen Harper is a smarter version of Maximum Leader Genius, so your country is in as much danger as the United States was a decade ago.)
1996? Back when Bill Clinton was destroying the federal guarantee of welfare?
When Harper does away with Canada's guarantee of health care with barely a peep from the mainstream -- no, with applause from the Canadian mainstream -- then I'll listen.
Ten years ago there weren't very many people in the USA who thought that the United States would convert into an loud and proud tyranny in such a short time, but here we are. I fully expected that Harper would have cratered in a spectacular fashion by now, but he's pushing a torrent of GOPish policies and has only managed to drop the EPC to the same level as the Liberals in the polls.
And the Canadian right wing trolls (mainly on the intarweb(tm), but even in the few newspapers I follow) are starting to sound more like the American style ones.
It's not the apocolypse (the CN tower still stands), but I think the threat is more dire than you suspect.
And the Canadian right wing trolls (mainly on the intarweb(tm), but even in the few newspapers I follow) are starting to sound more like the American style ones.
They always have. But there aren't so many of them here.
I understand where you're coming from, but I think perhaps you are tuning in to Canadian wingnuts and the right-wing media a little too much.
The Harper government is not very popular, not doing very well, and no one will be surprised if they don't survive the next election.
Comparing them to the Bush clan is really a chimera. Harper lacks (a) the huge reactionary, "Christian", militaristic base, (b) the means to steal an election, (c) the supposed terrorist attack to give him the blank check, (d) the deep corporate sponsorship the Republican party enjoys, and (e) widespread popular support for social conservative platforms like anti-SSM, anti-abortion and anti-health care initiatives.
And, unlike the U.S., the next election in Canada will count everyone's vote properly.
Don't let the word "conservative" fool you. Its meaning in Canada is very different from that in the US.
Ten years ago there weren't very many people in the USA who thought that the United States would convert into an loud and proud tyranny in such a short time, but here we are.
No one can predict the future, of course. But you're comparing apples and oranges in a big way.
You'd have to compare Harper's first term in office with Bush's first term in office. Once you do that, your comparison falls apart.
By "GOPish policies", I assume you mean budget cuts to social programs? Canada has seen and survived those before. Not without damage, of course, but also without a movement towards tyranny and global abuse of power.
... (f) nearly every media outlet of any consequence in the country acting as the Regime's stenographers
Over the past few months I've ceased to be amazed at how the mainstream US media ignores this stuff. Either they're in cahoots, deep denial or just don't get it. I refuse to believe the third option. I also await the 'something' that enables Bush to hold on to power.
The only saving grace up here is our one truly national characteristic. Scratch most Canadians and you don't have to go too deep to find the anti-American reflex. When Canadian pols are too scared to play this card, that's when you know we're in deep doo-doo.
I refuse to believe the third option.
Because you have a brain.
In case anyone would rather read than watch, here's ZeFrank's obituary for habeas corpus (I might have posted this before, I can't remember...):
Yesterday's obituaries mourned the death of Sir Habeas Corpus.
Born in the UK in 1679 to parents Mama and Magna Carta, Sir Corpus is said to have enjoyed horseback riding and Othello.
Originally the King's bitch, Sir Corpus made his name by forcing prisoners to testify in pending trials.
After a short but nearly fatal bout of colitis, he changed his strategy and began protecting individuals from arbitrary detention by the state.
Having emigrated to the United States in the late 1700s, Mr. Corpus continued to argue that prisoners should have their day in court to determine whether they're being lawfully imprisoned.
In recent years, Mr. Corpus' tactics of trying to protect the innocents have come under fire by the current White House. U.S. President Bush has referred to the elderly statesman as uppity and old-fashioned.
Mr. Corpus is said to have been particularly upset by the recent deportation and torture of Canadian citizen Mr. Maher Arar.
The U.S. sent Mr. Arar to Syria despite the fact that Canadian investigators said that they could find no evidence linking Mr. Arar to terrorist groups.
Yesterday Mr. Habeas Corpus was found dead in his Washington apartment, having been stabbed sixty-five times in the back.
Mr. Corpus leaves behind Mrs. Corpus and three hundred million children.
Please send condolences and flowers to yourself.
And the Canadian right wing trolls... are starting to sound more like the American style ones.
They always have. But there aren't so many of them here.
Laura's right; they always have. I've been in this game since the early 80s. I remember the debates on Free Trade in the run-up to the 1988 federal election. It didn't matter a bit in the US — free trade with Canada? What, cheaper maple syrup? Yay, yawn, who's playing the Cowboys this evening... — but it was a huge big deal in Canada. I was opposed, and I remember arguing with BMA students about what it would mean for the country. A lot of them saw it as, and I'm not kidding you here, the first serious step towards the inevitable political union of Canada with the United States. I felt so too. The only difference between us was they saw that as a great thing; I saw it as a disaster for common people in this country. The right wing in Canada has always been there, and for many years has been more interested in its own wealth and comfort than in the social rights of human beings. This is neither anything new or attributable to the Bush Administration, nor anything that I perceive as growing in scope. After all, Mulroney had two majorities. Harper might, might manage a majority, but it won't be anything like as big as Mulroney got even in his waning second term.
Be vigilant, but not hysterical.
Thank you, LP. I'm glad to get an affirmation from a Canadian, and one who follows the political scene.
After all, Mulroney had two majorities. Harper might, might manage a majority, but it won't be anything like as big as Mulroney got even in his waning second term.
Many liberal Americans may not even realize there's ever been a Conservative govt in Canada before.
SO much was made over Harper's election - "Canada falls to the neocons! There is no safe refuge!" - I read and saw that that all over - and I could tell that many people thought it was a first-ever for Canada.
SO much was made over Harper's election - "Canada falls to the neocons! There is no safe refuge!" - I read and saw that that all over - and I could tell that many people thought it was a first-ever for Canada.
To me, this only speaks so well of just how long we've walked our own path. That we could seem so different that the election of Stephen Harper is seen as a virtual revolution in some quarters down there is a true feather in our cap — and one we ain't callin' "macoroni", either. :)
It does. It also speaks of Americans' ignorance about Canada (myself including, before I purposely started paying attention).
lone primate raises some good points but I disagree about a couple...first this is not the "conservative" party of Mulroneys time in that that party was decimated this is the old Reform,Alliance party western based with a more right agenda,christian based ideaology then it's conservative predecessors...
also you mention about Harper managing a majority, where is that majority coming from, the only reason they were able to get 125 seats last election when there were projections of 150 was due to Quebec...well that Quebec base has dried up and gone away so the possibility of a majority is slim to none...especially in the polls, they are running even, without a Liberal leader in place
in fact they called the Nov. 27th by-elections and they are so desperate that they have flown in a former mayor of London who has resided in Washington writing speeches for the last 5 years to run in that race...it will be interesting to see, also they purposefully called the by-election just before the Liberal convention to not only try and win the two seats to take way from the Libs but also to stop Rae, or Kennedy who do not presently have a riding from being parachuted in after the Lib Convention to run
Rae has already stated he can't run, as his resources, time have to go into the convention...
the general feeeling I get is that the general public are already over the honeymoon period with these guys, they are spinning their wheels....
also you mention about Harper managing a majority, where is that majority coming from,
LP said "might, might manage a majority, but it won't be anything like as big as Mulroney got"
He wasn't predicting a majority win - he was addressing Orc's concerns, above.
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Doug, did you go to either W/S game in Detroit? Another gem from Rogers last night.
lone primate raises some good points but I disagree about a couple...first this is not the "conservative" party of Mulroneys time in that that party was decimated this is the old Reform,Alliance party western based with a more right agenda,christian based ideaology then it's conservative predecessors...
Yeah, exactly, and I'd venture to say that's precisely why they're sitting on a minority right now instead of a Mulroney-or-Diefenbakeresque hypermajority. I mean, Christ, we spent the preceding two years listening to "Good evening... blah blah blah Liberal scandal, blah blah graft, blah corruption blah, blah blah blah Quebec blah kickbacks blah... we'll be back after these messages...", and still the Tories couldn't jump the hurdle without kicking it over. I think it's entirely attributable to the fact that it's not the party of Dief or Stanfield or Clark or even Mulroney, and until it is again, Canadians will continue to see it as the Party of Liberal Penitence rather than the Government of Canada.
also you mention about Harper managing a majority, where is that majority coming from
I asked myself the same question in 1988 (and, abroad, in 2004), and it showed up all the same. Never say never, that's what I learned.
Only very tangentially related... apparently, living in Canada is considered punishment by some judges:
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U.S. teacher exiled to Canada after sexual abuse conviction
CBC News
An American teacher convicted of having sex with a 15-year-old student has been exiled to Canada as punishment in an unusual case that has immigration experts questioning its legality.
A U.S. judge gave Malcolm Watson a choice between serving as much as a year behind bars or agreeing to a three-year exile in Canada. Watson, a 35-year-old former teacher at Buffalo Seminary in New York state, chose Canada.
Under the sentence for sexual abuse imposed by Cheektowaga town court, Watson can enter the United States only to report to his probation officer. Watson already lives across the border in Fort Erie, Ont., with his Canadian wife and three children. The sentence starts Monday.
Robert Kolken, a Buffalo immigration lawyer, told the Toronto Star that exiling a citizen is unheard of.
"I don't see how a judge sitting in a criminal court in the U.S. can lawfully banish a citizen as a condition of sentencing," he said.
"The real issue is whether it's legal or not," he told the paper, adding that he wonders whether the sentence can even be enforced.
The judge who sentenced Watson could not be reached for comment.
Watson's lawyer, Oscar Smukler, told the Buffalo News he looked into the implications of the sentence and thought it "unlikely that Canada will do anything" to upset the arrangement.
Still, it remains to be seen how Canadian authorities will react.
Citizenship and Immigration Minister Monte Solberg said that while he could not comment on the case because of privacy concerns, he could comment in general terms about how federal officials would deal with non-Canadians convicted of crimes elsewhere.
"If non-citizens pose a threat to Canada, we will do everything in our power to have that person removed as quickly as possible," he said in an interview with the Globe and Mail.
Citizen and Immigration spokesperson Edison Stewart told the Star the Canadian Border Services Agency studies such situations on a case-by-case basis.
"Someone convicted of a serious offence would normally be barred from Canada. But every case must be examined as to the exact nature of the foreign conviction and its equivalency in Canadian law before a final determination is made by CBSA [Canadian Border Services Agency]," said Stewart.
A Canadian Border Services spokesperson told the newspaper she was not aware of Canadian pre-approval of the deal.
Different consent laws
Canada and the U.S. have different laws regarding sex with a minor, and Canadian approval for the deal may depend on whether Watson would have been charged with such an offence in this country.
In Canada the age of consent is 14 years unless sex occurs during a relationship of trust or dependency — such as in a teacher-student relationship — in which case the age of consent rises to 18.
In June, the federal Conservatives moved to raise the sexual age of consent by two years from 14 to 16 years.
In New York state the age of consent for male-female sex is 17.
Watson, described in media reports as a popular English teacher, pleaded guilty to having sex with a 15-year-old female student in a parked car in April.
According to the Buffalo News, the school fired Watson in April, after he was suspended a month earlier for ignoring a previous warning to stay away from the student.
The girl's parents are reported to approve of the sentence because it means their daughter won't have to testify in public.
apparently, living in Canada is considered punishment by some judges:
And does this idiot judge think Canada will just allow this person to live here, without going through the usual channels, as if Canada is some kind of dumping ground for Buffalo's unwanted?
Not to mention (although it *is* mentioned in the story) that the sentence is very likely illegal in the first place.
Another wacky judge, the US is full of them.
I like idiot better than wacky. I consider Don Knotts "wacky". This judge is just stupid.
Well, the article does say the guy's already living in Fort Erie, so he's likely a landed immigrant here as well as a US citizen. Still... if you're a citizen, aren't you supposed to enjoy the right of entering your own country, regardless? Banishment? What is this, the 1600s?
Yes, wacky was too kind - and implies harmlessness. Stupid. And, as LP implies, archaic, at the very least.
Well, the article does say the guy's already living in Fort Erie, so he's likely a landed immigrant here as well as a US citizen.
Oh yes, I didn't notice that at first. Still.
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